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  Can you help me encourage Reopened mind.

  by TotallyADD in

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  as most of you know we got a very angry letter from our oldest son.

  it hurt her very much.

  i feel so bad for her because he attacked her for what i feel was very unfair.

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  Everyone - JW or not - is required by nature to make decisions on the basis of incomplete information, and we are 100% responsible for the decisions we make.

  It doesn't seem fair. But since the rule applies to everybody, maybe it is.

  Or maybe the guilt is meaningless. Maybe the idea of being 100% responsible for anything - good or bad - is an illusion.

  I have a LOT of anger about the circumstances of my life. My parents were a couple of idiots who stumbled from one bad impulsive act to another.

  When I really try to put myself in their places it seems almost like their bad choices were unavoidable, and I am only left with pity for both of them.
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  Maybe I am a little dense, but I just realized...

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.

  " this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.

  so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.

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  Doesn't the WT argue that Sheol is a literal place?

  WHAT resides in this literal place?

  Does it have a (postal) zip code? Space-Time coordinates?
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  KwaZulu Natal ex Jw & friends

  by LouBelle in

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  2. friends

  right...so i was thinking that we need to shake up the kzn jw community .... because we can.

  i'd like to know if there are any ex jw and friends on here that would like to join my mum and i.. the next big convention is going to be held on the 6-8th of september at the sharks rugby stadium.

  we would like to organise 1) an undercover mission on the saturday - go into the assembly parking, maybe even hang around for an hour and then go about and put flyers on all the cars with regards to some biblical truths.

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  LouBelle, I'm in the USA and I don't know what "KwaZulu Natal" means. Can you explain it a bit to me?

  Good luck in all your efforts.
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  Lewis Black YouTube channel

  by glenster in

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  2. entertainment

  i recently posted the nazi tourette's routine by lewis black on the.

  daily show.

  he has his own youtube channel with some full concerts:.

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  Nathan Natas

  Excellent! He's one of my favorites.
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  Pre-cleaning the district convention venue

  by hoser in

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  this year as with every previous year a letter was read on how we can honor jehovah by helping to clean the stadium where the district convention is held.. does the watchtower get a break on the rent if the dubs do a major cleaning of the stadium?

  sounds like slave labour to me.. .

  hoser.

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  OTWO said, " It was the only time there was no straw and manure everywhere."

  All the shit was moved to the audio system.
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  Local Newspaper Write Up - My Apostate Level Goes Up A Notch

  by donuthole in

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  the local newspaper did a nice write up of my book paradise earth: day zero.

  you can read the full text here.

  wonder if this will get posted on the congregation bulletin information board.. .

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  http://www.thetelegraph.com/arts_and_entertainment/article_020b0d80-c73c-11e2-90ca-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=story
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  Powerfully heart-wrenching experience by FORMER BETHLITE

  by Black Man in

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  2. friends

  just wanting to post an experience by a former bethelite.

  the first part was just published with the other two coming overt the next couple of weeks.

  click the link.

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  Nathan Natas

  Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I enjoy your posts.
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  Believers and Non-Believers - What does this scripture mean?

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  genesis 30:37-39english standard version (esv).

  37 then jacob took fresh sticks of poplar and almond and plane trees, and peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the sticks.

  38 he set the sticks that he had peeled in front of the flocks in the troughs, that is, the watering places, where the flocks came to drink.

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  Where's the twit who claimed that these Bible characters deserved our RESPECT because they were more than ignorant goatherds?
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  Why won't JWs have "civilized" debates with home owners?

  by ilikecheese in

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  it seems kind of crazy to go to someone's house touting your religion as truth and then not even defend your own beliefs.

  why do jws stop the chat if someone just tries to calmly reason/debate with them?

  i'm not talking about crazy preachers who start slamming bibles and yelling about how they need jesus or something.

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  Here's an abbreviated answer to your opening question from my historical perspective (your mileage may vary):

  Long ago, back when Chuck Russell was still around and doing his jellyfish thing with all the babes, Chuckie was cheesed over the fact that he wasn't triumphing over his opponents in his once-famous "public Debates," so Chuck issued a general order to all his "Pilgrims" (salesmen) that it was a waste of time to debate religious foes.

  One of Chuckie's boys, Joey "Da Judge" Rutherford, gets this smart idea in April 1915 and decides that he will ignore Chuck's standing order and go out to California to debate Baptist preacher J. H. Troy over four nights before an audience of 12,000. Rutherford got his ass kicked and when he returned to Brooklyn Bethel he found Chuck rather displeased with the mega-flop and Rutherford began the oblivion spiral. Then on Halloween Russell recieved his reward and Joey's friends in Bethel called him back to Bethel to stage his coup.

  "Say 'Hello' to my little fr'ends" he is reported to have said as he pointed to his trousers.
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  Interesting Conversation that we ARE NOT Bible Students

  by RubaDub in

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  2. experiences

  no need for all the details, but we were with a few from the kh after the meeting for some food and the topic of how smart we are compared to other religions in the world when it comes to knowing the bible.. my radar immediately went off as that is one of my pet peeves.

  (most laughed since i doubt any do the family study night, but that's beside the point).

  i asked one of the brothers to multiply that by 50 weeks (answer is 225 hours).

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  Rub-a-Dub observed,

  " A typical college course is around 40 hours. So 240 divided by 40 equals 6. Basically, we are in meetings for the equivalent of 6 college courses per year, each year, every year. To graduate with a four-year degree from a typical college you need a total of about 40. Divide 40 by the 6 courses per year and you would graduate from college in 6 1/2 years with a degree."

  Except that they are essentially the SAME classes every year at the KH! Colleges have a PROGRESSIVE study plan that the WTB&TS does not. And who needs Song of Solomon 204 anyway?